Do you think this is a joke, Damien?

Do you remember your thirtieth birthday at Bond St, when you were drunk and crying and I stayed and comforted you? It's my thirtieth birthday in six days, funnily enough, and you are trying to have me wrongfully imprisoned in order that you and Oli don't have to bear the costs of your own choices, choices that were not mine and that I did not benefit by. What the fuck kind of friend are you? Answer me. I feel you owe me an answer.

I feel one does not repeatedly say "I'm your friend, Sam, you can trust me" while lying and then evade honest testimony and block your friend of 12 years whom you are lying about

This is morally degenerate conduct

@Edward Hagger Damien has now blocked me. I am not tremendously impressed by this. Please could you ask him to tell my solicitor, the lovely Mr Hussain (tahir@newgatesolicitors.com), whether, or ideally that, he will testify voluntarily? I really don't feel this is too much to expect of him.

I think this is an appalling way for him to behave, frankly

And I don't accept that he can do this and then throw up his hands and say "ta-da, no contact!" and turn me into the wrongdoer

At least please let him know that if he doesn't testify voluntarily, I will press to have him summoned

Also I made the right decision earlier, it seems

And I will make sure the stain of what he is trying to get away with clings to him for the wretched remainder of his mortal allotment

What a fucking disgrace

Anyway, for now, @Steve Cherny, @Sam Cherny, you can hopefully draw the obvious inference from Damien's sudden-onset courthouse allergy

For the record, this is what I said to Damien on the 27th, leading up to my visit:

I put it to you that if I had gone there to attack Oli or your family, I would probably not have asked Damien to accompany me, and he knew that perfectly well – he has deleted his messages with Oli from that day, claimed total amnesia about what they discussed, has refused to testify, and has now blocked me in an unsuccessful effort to evade scrutiny

The point of this is to preserve the lie that was told to you

And @Peter De Havilland, there is no amount of olanzapine in the world that can stop you from putting two and two together here

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nah, jokes aside, obviously i am not Magnitsky – the police have been lovely to me and brought me biscuits and I wrote them a 5-star Yelp review that most of you have read but here you go in case you haven't: https://m.yelp.com/biz/stoke-newington-police-station-london – but that doesn't make it any less disgraceful what Damien and Oli are still trying to get away with

also, biscuits or no biscuits, there is something peculiarly awful about sitting in a cell, listening to all the local drug dealers banging on their cell doors and shouting that they were innocent and stitched up, and thinking to myself "hmm, I actually am innocent and stitched up, perhaps I ought to bang on the doors"

^ i guess he's gone off to draft another Magnitsky Act in my name

@Damien McMullen I am keen to understand whether you feel guilt, shame, or only embarrassment after the months you spent mocking me, the person you said Oli was made for and vice versa – the only person about whom he felt anything, you said – after you threw me under the bus for the sake of money (which I hasten to add is not a kind or decent thing as which to treat Sam Cherny)

I think I said I would feel suicidal guilt and shame - I have before - if you really want to call me mad, if you want an example of a time when I really did descend into near-suicidal mental turmoil, it was out of guilt:

You sent 6 photos

You sent 4 photos

etc etc etc - it went on for a very long time - I have never ever experienced anything like that guilt - I remember that it wasn't so much that I considered killing myself, it was more that I was petrified of the certainty that I would - it felt like receiving a terminal illness diagnosis

anyway, I am not making any recommendations, Damien, I am just stunned at how content you seem to be with the situation

I repeat what I said earlier to Edward:

Oh also, Chernys, what the fuck is up with my bail conditions, lol

I had remembered them as prohibiting me from entering only Upper Mall

I looked this evening and they in fact forbid me to enter your house (??) (was I ever allowed to enter your house of my own accord beforehand?!)

Very strange

Anyway, @Damien McMullen perhaps you could tell the Chernys what I told you the day of my visit, since you’re so worried about my having ‘frightened’ them - I might have frightened them less if they had been told the truth about me, eh, as I asked you to do that very morning?

Afternoon, sorry

Narrator: it has yet to happen at T+438 with N+1077 lies

Are the Chernys finally getting the message? What happens when we get Oli’s recorded interview? The one or two clear statements about it in their file suggest that he gave an account on which our relationship ended on April 12th, which is (1) presumably vastly more than the Chernys have been told and (2) still not the truth, as you and I both know, @Damien

Erratum: for “recent as of April 9-10”, read “recent as of March 9-10”. Apologies. God, I made essentially the same swapped-month error when I started shouting outside the Cherny house, and I was gutted and kicking myself in case @Sam Cherny The Monastically Silent heard the mistaken initial dates and stopped listening. I now know he never bothered to start to listen at all, which I suppose is a relief of a kind.

You very much need to reply

@Damien I have half a mind to start sending ‘???’ messages - you owe me an answer and my prolixity does not license you to act as though this is a monologue you needn’t reply to

You need to explain yourself, and for over a month you have refused to do so

Please locate and use your spine

Also, slight digression, but @Peter if you want my advice you really ought to stop taking that drug, because it will kill you sooner or later, usually sooner: https://x.com/cubbi10284/status/1956053440527827234 (That guy has been fucked over worse than I have. He was sexually assaulted while blackout drunk by a fellow resident in a halfway house / sheltered housing sorta place - the underclass, down and out in Paris and London, you get the picture - and so he hurt him pretty badly, GBH kinda badly, the following day. Should have gone to prison for a year or two at worst. Instead some psychiatrist said “no, you weren’t raped, you’re a schizophrenic”, and he’s been locked up for seven years and counting. Terrible. He is one of the most lucid and articulate guys I’ve ever spoken with. I suppose one learns to be exaggeratedly reasonable in that kind of environment, much as I have, admittedly with occasional lapses, throughout this particular ordeal.)

I imagine it is hell on stilts to quit, and less fun than quitting a pure D2 antagonist like haloperidol, but I also imagine you could take a fuck load of antihistamines and a few other things and batten down the hatches and be through it in maybe the same time it took me to quit heroin (also v little fun) - if anyone wants my opinion, it is that chronic medication use was a broadly bad idea outside a few special cases like insulin for type 1 diabetes (Oli diabetes, not fat pig diabetes, which in my view is better treated by ceasing to be a gluttonous pig) - I would also point out that the so-called ‘negative symptoms of schizophrenia’ change era by era so as to remain at any given time suspiciously similar to the side effects of whatever drug or other treatment is en vogue (bromides, insulin overdose, lobotomy, neuroleptics/antipsychotics, etc) - anyway, thank you for attending my TED talk on modern medicine and psychiatry

Back to the point: @Damien, since you have time to send laugh reacts, and have evidently read my messages, perhaps you could answer me and – to quote Marwan’s immortal words – account for yourself?

Also, for the record, since Mrs Cherny appears to have misheard me, what I said was “did you know Oli was cheating on you?”, not “did you know Oli was cheating on me?”. I suppose in a sense it is an equivalent question, but the latter implies me to have had essentially no theory of mind and no understanding that Sam Cherny’s main concern would be Oli’s infidelity to him and not Oli’s infidelity to the new partner he just discovered existed. Here are my speaker’s notes from that evening, since, far from planning to harm anyone, I was in fact petrified, dreading an extremely unpleasant anticipated gate-adjacent confrontation, and trying to stay focussed on my talking points:

I think I then looked through my photos (I take zero photos most days and several hundred photos whenever I’m with Oli, haha) and rattled off a few more dates before the police arrived. I was hoping to give the Chernys an objective way to prove or disprove my claims regardless of whether they trusted my honesty. I did give them such a way. That way obviously was not listened to or used, and I was prosecuted anyway, so: success!

For clarity: “Did you know Oli was cheating on you? I didn’t” was a slightly compressed and over-clever way to say “Oli was cheating on you with me, I have just figured this out and am telling you, but I categorically didn’t know at the time that he had another partner to whom he was being unfaithful” I guess the other thing it avoided stating explicitly - and perhaps I should not have had such faith in the Chernys’ ability to read between the lines, or to read the lines, or to read anything - was that I was the one that Oli had been cheating on him with

@Damien McMullen I have asked Mr Hussain about calling Sam Cherny as a witness, and have bcc-ed you into that email so that you understand that your deceit is presently disintegrating, because my knowledge of that understanding on your part deeply gratifies me 👍

Frankly I don't know why I didn't consider this before, and I don't know how the police and CPS can have justified the extent to which he has been excluded from their investigation and their case despite being arguably more central than me or Oli to all of this.

I guess I inferred that he hadn't been in the house, that only Oli and Mrs Cherny had been, and that that was rotten luck on my part - but looking again at my original police bail documents (where he and his sister are named as witnesses whom I was forbidden to contact) and at Mrs Cherny's comment that "I told my family to... [etc]" (her husband lives in Boston and was noted for the purpose of the alleged intimate image charge not to be able to give a statement at that time, i.e. he was presumably not in this country – aside from the husband, it's just a daughter and a son, Sam), I think he almost certainly was in the house. Presumably they must have spoken to him to some extent that evening, and we should be able to get BWV of that (I'll just ask for audio because I don't care about the video stream or want to fight to get video of their family home), and I am fascinated to see what it contains, but also I think any full account of this situation cannot possibly omit his testimony.

Also, crucially, I and Sam Cherny are the two people who have no reason to lie. Oli has ample reason to lie, and does so about as often as he breathes (much though I love him), while Mrs Cherny has very little reason to lie, and mostly doesn't, but conversely she has nothing very interesting to say and I don't contest the very limited facts that her testimony establishes.

Oh so THAT was the point of @Damien McMullen’s incessant denials that Oli was in a relationship with @Sam Cherny: it was so that I wouldn’t call him as a witness. Damien, was it your belief that I was born on May 26th, 2026? Did you really think you could trick me into prison so that @Sam Cherny (that’s your name, right, @Sam Cherny: @Sam Cherny?) wouldn’t find out that Oli had cheated and indeed had a parallel relationship of love for the entire length of his and Oli’s relationship of convenience (or perhaps of love in one direction and convenience in the other)? Did you think you could keep him in the dark and me in a cell? I see you’ve unblocked me. Maybe Edward spoke to you, maybe someone else did, but you obviously figured out that you weren’t going to get away with blocking and ignoring me until the trial that you’ve refused to give evidence in. I suppose I’m due a message calling me ‘darling’ in a week or two…

I don’t find this very funny, Damien

Nor should you

I am currently filling in a form to summon you as a witness under CrimPR rule 17, or part 17 or god knows what, I don’t really care about the language - I need proof that you refused to attend voluntarily and that your evidence would be material, and fortunately I have about ten tons of that

But I expect you will remain silent

Silent except for laugh emojis

You seem to think you are entitled to come in here and respond with laugh emojis

And with nothing else

I am doing the same for @Sam Cherny, though that’s a weird one because he is not a hostile witness per se and I don’t expect him to have any reason to lie - in a sane parallel universe he would have been interviewed by the police and the case would have fallen apart at that point, or else he should have been a natural prosecution witness, but this is not a sane universe and so we’ll have to do it this way - the materiality of his testimony at least is beyond question, since he is the only alleged witness for one of the charges (the indecent image one - he claims to have seen an image sent to his father, who for some reason, cc @Steve Cherny, can’t forward an email or give testimony from Boston, so without him the CPS is proposing to convict me based on hearsay), a better witness than Mrs Cherny on the stalking charge, etc. I also suspect that on the stand he will give an extremely and fascinatingly different account of what Oli told him than the account Oli gave in his recorded interview and will have to give in his testimony, which I highly recommend that Sam Cherny watch (15 Jan 2027, 10am, Courtroom 9, Westminster Magistrates’ Court — well, that’s the trial itself, I’m not sure exactly when Oli’s testimony is but I dimly recall that he was scheduled first, with quite some time blocked out, and then a shorter block for Mrs Cherny, and I believe then me).

I gather I have the right to direct Mr Hussain to request that both be summoned as defence witnesses - if he disagrees with my strategy I will override him, and then he is retained and paid by the court to cross-examine them (or examine them or hostile-defence-witness-examine them or whatever the formal status is), but @Damien has my word (which is worth rather more than his) that I will not let him wriggle away

@Damien you are of course always welcome to tell the truth before then, if you don’t wish to be thought of as someone who, after all the chances and counsel I have given you, after describing the case as nonsense (and I will enjoy having Mr Hussain play that to you in court), still tried to have your friend locked up and made to bear the cost of your and Oli’s wrongdoing

@Sam Cherny if you’re up for a spot of testifying, lmk! Unlike with Damien, I don’t anticipate that it will be an unpleasant conversation because, unlike Damien, you haven’t lied - you have been lied to, as I was

Sorry, this is approximately the worst recording in the history of the universe, but I was caught entirely unawares and chronically struggling with how to record Messenger calls (next time I'll give Wireshark a try; I managed to reconstruct a Google Meet call from fortunately-unencrypted Opus frames, so it might work) Also strictly I didn't warn Peter this time, so this is probably einen kleinen violation der Law - on the other hand, who gives a fuck?, and I hardly think the guy can have been unaware of my principle of recording/archiving things and using that to break compartments

[Voice message (4:56)]

Notably in that snippet of conversation I am given no real explanation of why it is absolutely impossible for me and Sam Cherny to ever speak to one another, or why he cannot be told that Oli and I are in a relationship except because he "would have a tantrum" (this is a curiously Damien-like explanation, in that it concedes the exact thing it should not concede, provides no other explanation, is essentially an admission, but is delivered as though it were an alternative explanation - it is in the same category as Damien's classic "I deleted the messages because they were neeegative and I just didn't want to keeep them")

Just as Damien could much more plausibly have explained that he was super drunk or had taken a Valium and that this was why he had no memory of his May 27th-28th chats with Oli, Peter could have explained this by saying that Sam Cherny was furious about [this, that, or the other; you could pick from quite a handful of things] and wanted no contact with me, and held the PHA 1997 over my head by suggesting that any attempt to check with him directly might be construed as further unwanted contact and reported to the police - it probably wouldn't have stopped me, but it would have been a better answer - instead we now have tantrum over relationship not otherwise specified (TOR-NOS)

@Sam Cherny Why would you throw a tantrum? Would that be a 'tantrum' in the same way my visit was 'stalking'? I am guessing – just a hunch – that you wouldn't consider anger at Oli's dating someone else to be an irrational and child-like reaction?

@Sam Cherny https://peter.chats.swhra.uk/ sorry

it grew upon me that I was responsible, because no one else was interested—interested, I mean, with that intense personal interest to which every one has some vague right

@Damien McMullen My Facebook advertising campaign about your misdeeds has reached 9,300ish people in my very narrow and intimately relevant catchment areas, so this would be an excellent time to bring a libel action if I were wrong, which I am not

I gather my cost per engagement is insanely low, i.e. the post is basically crack, which one can probably understand given that preview text

You have threatened to report me to the police for harassment, which my family found scary and I found hilarious, though I am aggrieved at you for causing them distress

Perhaps he is saying something privately, and perhaps he is offering some high-sounding Legal Matters™ explanation, as if he were not trying to avoid being summoned as a witness in said Legal Matters™, and as though innocent people in the real world respond to extremely grave allegations (perverting the course of justice, framing a friend of over a decade in order to stop him from revealing his boyfriend's infidelity to the more materially convenient other partner) with total silence and non-contestation

You have not threatened to bring a libel action and you have not corrected me - you have done everything that a guilty man would and nothing that an innocent man would, and I think you owe the Chernys and me the truth - you evidently don't feel you do, and I look forward to having Mr Hussain ask you on the stand about what you said to me in those recorded calls and why you persisted in not telling the truth and trying to avoid court for many months despite knowing that Oli's claims were (to quote what you said to me) "ridiculous", "so silly", and "lies"

I also, of course, look forward greatly to asking you (or Mr Hussain asking you, which he must because all witnesses we might call are my victims or something like that) what you and Oli discussed that night in the messages you deleted - I look forward to asking Oli too, though I suspect you have both deleted your messages and both developed amnesia - I suppose his amnesia will set in very shortly after I left and dissipate by around 6am or whenever he deleted his copy

I think most people, if accused of something like this, would say something

Damien will say nothing

All I can say is do not believe whatever the hell he is saying to any of you privately until he can say it to me, the Chernys, and everyone, which he obviously cannot

@Peter thanks for accepting my friend request! we still need to make a date for you to punch me in the face - I also need to make such a date with Sam Cherny, who similarly has threatened to punch me in the face - actually, a lot of people have threatened to punch me in the face, while I alone am being prosecuted as dangerous, haha (mind you I did punch Oli in the face, or rapped him on the head, I suppose. he was being FUCKING annoying and awful to me, and, though legally this is an extremely ill-advised thing to say, I am not sure I can honestly say that I feel remorse...)

anyway, I am not a deranged stalker, and I appreciate the small token of human recognition that your friend request acceptance represents ☮️

i am probably a quite intense person, and that has been called 'deranged' and 'stalking-like', but those words are being used in a much looser sense there - that is quite different from fantasising an entire relationship or whatever - I am intense, I am willing to tolerate embarrassment and nastiness in pursuit of ends I consider important - that does not mean I am dangerous or that I am Charles Guiteau or whatever, and there is some verbal sleight of hand being employed there

Anyway, the 'Freddie Gordon-Lennox' I knew was extremely, extremely like Oli, hahahah - to the point that my friend Roman, who was at Eton and whom I'd asked whether he'd known FGL (he hadn't, he was a year or two above him) remarked that most of the Lords and Honourables he'd known at Eton were not quite so fascinated by themselves and their own families, which I think cut 'Freddie' slightly because I got a very long and peeved reply that included scornful commentary about Roman's boarding house 😭

Aw, poor 'Freddie' - I will never not adore 'Freddie'

Also Peter: I see among your truly stupendously long list of friends (which includes my ancient ex-boyfriend Alex's great-aunt Kim Braden, a slightly washed-up actress whom I remember doing coke with in someone's flat in Chelsea when I was a sixth former, haha – I think she was known for being Anne in Anne of Green Gables, but that was a long time ago) that you are friends with a Lucinda Gordon-Lennox

I recognise the name Gordon-Lennox because I had an online acquaintance with a person I knew as Freddie Gordon-Lennox (who does exist and is the third son of the present Duke of Richmond) but have long felt pretty certain was actually Oli back in a period in early-mid 2023 when I wasn't replying to him as much as he wished I would (he has loved me from essentially the word 'go', and in late 2023 it became mutual but at that point it wasn't)

I wonder if you know of Freddie Gordon-Lennox or have any idea if Oli has known him - the 'Freddie Gordon-Lennox' I spoke to was great friends with Oli and his greatest cheerleader, haha - aw, god, I feel bad saying this, and I think it was adorable and sweet

I really am not out to destroy Oli, for what it's worth, and I think those Damien phone calls (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf6DCuNmELvw) make that clear – I am out to destroy Damien, not physically but socially, but Oli, for some stupid unreasonable reason, I find it impossible to feel that way about – I think he has lied both to and about me (the 'to' part is slightly on the back burner right now, lol) but I will never not see things from inside his head

I note that Freddie died off or was killed off and never reappeared at basically the point at which I fell for Oli - possibly 'Freddie' had a role in the no-doubt-careful engineering of that mental process, hahaha

It probably makes me sound mad at this point, but he loves me, or at any rate has loved me (I very much doubt that this has changed, though the last few months have been highly unusual), more than i have ever been loved by anyone

And my proof is "flight companies":

"Flight companies", otherwise known as "airlines", haha, Oli, but he was falling over himself from the beginning to be liked by me 🤷 (sadly he has become a bit more confident in our attachment..............)

Anyway, I think the best point I can hope to make in support of my contention that I am not a deranged lunatic who is lying to you is the one I made by email the other day, to wit: if I knew Oli and Sam Cherny were in a relationship, and was merely trying to cause havoc by pretending falsely that Oli had been cheating on him with me, then why would I not have said any of that the first time (and, as it turned out, only time) I met Sam Cherny? Why instead just talk about Oli's lie that he had been an Albanian cartel whatever, and that I needed to be able to trust him, and (I am pretty sure, as best I recall) not even say that I had been dating him (because I thought it was so obvious and uncontroversial that it went without saying – I now realise it wasn't, and wish I had said it to Sam Cherny on that occasion)?

Oli predicted, correctly, that neither of us would say explicitly that we were Oli's boyfriends, because both of us would regard that as so obvious as to go without saying - that correct prediction was socially brilliant in a devious sort of way, haha

Anyway DAMIEN @Damien WHEREFORE ART THOU DAMIEN? WHERE ART THOU, AND WHEREFORE? I think you should be here or not at all

Ah, I see where you are, you're on Instagram:

Perhaps it might be nice if you explained, at some point, you know, whenever you have a spare moment, WHY YOU TRIED TO HAVE YOUR FRIEND OF 12 YEARS WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED BASED ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF CALLED 'LIES' AND 'RIDICULOUS', IN ORDER TO COVER UP HIS BOYFRIEND'S INFIDELITY TO THE LATTER'S OTHER BOYFRIEND ??????? JUST MAYBE ????????????? As I said to you once on Instagram, I SORT OF FEEL THIS IS THE KIND OF MESSAGE THAT ONE REPLIES TO

but evidently not if one is Damien 🤷

sobeit, I will externalise the cost of your behaviour onto your friends until one of them is annoyed/vibrated enough to ask you why you won't say one thing to pacify this lunatic

friends, sorry I'm being a pain in the ass, but, like, I am being prosecuted based on the lies that Damien is quietly supporting and protecting and which I strongly suspect (from his deleted messages and amnesia, and from the fact that Oli wouldn't have given that specific chronological account if he had not known that Damien would not contradict it – April 12th vs April 16th is v significant in this respect, given Damien was present in these chats in those days: https://groups.chats.swhra.uk/) he helped devise, and I do not accept that he can simply ignore me, refuse to account for himself or tell the truth, and then sniff at me and call me mad for sending too many messages - I am not mad, I am just, with all respect, more concerned in this instance by my potentially going to prison on a false account that Damien is complicit in than I am by the possibility of my irritating his friends

and I really think it is unbelievable arrogance by him to read my messages, send a laugh react at one point, lounge around on Instagram, and not explain himself

I don't know who the fuck he thinks he is, frankly

@Peter if you could pass one message to Sam Cherny, who I know you know, it is this: he was filming me throughout that encounter, the only time we met, on my first visit - ask him, if he still has it, to watch that video and ask himself whether I behaved like the relationship-inventing saboteur that Oli has clearly tried to paint me as since the second visit, or whether I behaved like Oli's boyfriend who thought Sam Cherny was his housemate and therefore didn't really say anything much about the subject

(well, I discussed Oli's lies and said I wanted to talk to him privately - I had gone there to collect him in order to have a proper conversation about the Albanian thing - at that point Sam Cherny was just an irritating obstacle at the gate, and not someone I realised needed to be informed about anything)

Instagram sesh finally done - @Damien if it is at all possible that you have been busily conspiring with Oli (probably somewhat less gleefully than before), Instagram would be really a supremely unwise place to do your conspiring, and I think at this point the sensible thing would be to call a halt to the conspiring

I remind you you are in a prisoner's dilemma with a fellow prisoner who is notoriously untrustworthy and whose only stable attachment is to me - I would not keep piling chips onto a losing hand if I were you

@Damien Since you're on Instagram again, I would add one more thing

She says he told her in February that he had a stalker (yours truly!), but I suspect it might have been Jan 31st, when we had had an argument about his not replying to me and being unreachable, and I had said (as on so many other occasions) that I would go to his house to talk to him: https://oli.chats.swhra.uk/#msg-fb-4151

I said that because I semi-consciously realised it was the one thing that worked, the one thing that made him reply, not at all suspiciously.... At one point I even wrote this joke script as a nod to that: https://gist.github.com/swhra/96ad6780995f0ac6d0c31340bf9040d8

Even if you're not summoned as a witness, do you think we are not going to ask Oli serious questions about the relationship history and then put his answers immediately to Mrs Cherny, or Heather or whatever she's called, when she testifies right after him? Or, if the order is changed, vice versa?

I don't see this surviving that process, let alone your testimony (hostile or not) or (holy grail imo) Sam Cherny's

Maybe you will escape a summons, idk, it's possible that my rage towards you is driving that more than what it would actually add to the case itself - I dunno, I'll defer to Mr Hussain on that, at least somewhat - but the lie is not going to survive the trial, and I will try to make sure we ask at some point about what you knew or were told, because establishing that you were a knowing part of my deception probably will be useful even if your testimony ends up being decided to be not strictly required (i dunno)

Here are all of my photos and videos (or the live photo MOVs excluding the longer video-propers for some reason, I can't recall): https://media.swhra.uk/ Here are all the call recordings: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK1sBErwRKjk Here are Oli's DKIM-signed emails: https://github.com/swhra/OliEmails He can lie to Peter - I mean, it's a vile thing to do, but he can and has proven himself willing to lie to many people - but he is not going to have much luck denying all that in court

We can put to Mrs Cherny all of his messages and also the calls in which he calls Sam Cherny, her son, dangerous, and says he fears to tell him who his 'loved ones' are: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o4CO3KQG8dxiYpg_p_jwrIgOsbDkklEi/view

Then in his statement – and presumably he also elaborates on this sort of theme in his interview – he peevishly complains that I had said he was involved in criminality: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rkSAAMXZ3VA7RGr98wtsU7G2MQnh498p/view That will be fun to ask him about, and then her

Also I suppose I know deep down that it wasn't cheating in the sense that - as you so charmingly pointed out - he feels nothing for Sam Cherny, only for me: https://youtu.be/MIXBADeyxWU?si=Lr_uDl3XCdPPz376&t=4368 And I know deep down what each relationship is for, and I am fucking sorry that Sam Cherny is going to have to at some point have that realisation - it is cruel

I might add, by the way, because I have almost bloody forgotten amidst everything else, that he cheated on me too, and I really ought to be aggrieved about that and not just about the prosecution - but the prosecution has a way of eclipsing the other things, haha

And it was at those points that he would declare that I was a stalker, which was obviously what he planned to say, and finally in May what he did say, when I got there

With your support, Damien! He couldn't have done it without you! What a wonderful friend you are to him, and the reason he is in the position he is now in, and you too are

What a great thing you didn't tell him on May 27th, as any morally sane fucking person would have, that it had gone too far already, that it was unthinkable to make false criminal accusations against his boyfriend (well, one of two) and your friend of 12 years, and that he needed to own up and tell the truth, because it was his mess, not mine

No, instead you decided that it should be mine, and that has now more or less decisively failed, and you have no way to stand in that shame, hence all this laugh react, blocking / unblocking, etc crap

You cannot come back and resume being my friend as if you didn't try - and are not still, out of habit and hope, trying - to have me falsely convicted and locked up to cover up what Oli did

And I think the Chernys are also owed the truth, so take as long as you want to but you are going to need to answer this before long

That was the entire subject of those group chats (groups.chats.swhra.uk) about which Damien yet again claims amnesia, even though they are still right there in his list of conversations for him to refer back to

And, frankly, shame on him and shame on Damien - and shame will be on them - for trying to make me bear the consequences of that and also of everyone else’s actions while erasing what they respectively did and knew

If there is one thing that I lied about and that I regret, it was pleading guilty to assault and saying constantly that my hitting Oli was wrong and that I regret doing so

In hindsight I wish I could have pled “I hit him, yes”, not “guilty”

I regret it only in the sense that my late friend Lars might have regretted this:

One regrets that one was in the situation at all, but not how one responded within it

You have told me in the last couple of months alone that: - I made up a relationship out of meth or autism or something - Oli and I were made for each other and you were so glad we had worked it all out - I loved Oli and he didn’t love me back - I am the only person for whom you have ever known Oli to feel any emotion, and our conversations are precious and it is wrong for me to post them on the internet - I should go to prison - I should not go to prison and the case will surely be thrown out - I should be remanded - “why would I want you to go to prison, Sam? I’m your friend!” etc etc etc ad et ultra nauseam

Still remember none of that, Damien? Nothing about the subject of all those conversations, which was “I hit Oli, ok, make of that what you will, but let us also talk about what happened leading up to that”?

Nothing about my and Oli’s relationship?

@Peter I invite you to make what you will of @Damien’s inability to say a word to me in the presence of others, or against me in my presence 🤷‍♂️

Obviously you felt that Oli’s relationship with Sam Cherny would not survive the revelation that Oli is capable of love, lust, and feeling, and I can see why and I feel very sorry for Sam Cherny, but that does not give you or Oli the right to lie to other Sam or to have me fucking imprisoned so you can relieve him of his money (well, ok, he doesn’t seem to give Oli money in a literal sense - I lose count of how many times I had to pay for Tube fares, £1 tins of Vaseline, packets of crisps, etc - but I assume there is a ‘long game’ here)

Not a very long game any more, I suspect

Pity he couldn’t do what you did and just stick to the one relationship, if he was going to play that game

But he couldn’t, because it’s a fucking miserable fucking game, Christ, what does that show?

You can euphemise the worship of money as ‘safety’ or ‘security’ or whatever you like, but I … well, the Indo-European root of ‘secure’, pace Benveniste, is something very vaguely like ‘set apart from oneself’, and I would question whether one has any safety worth having when one has to wait for quiet nights to call the person one loves

Anyway, this is all less than urgently relevant - my main point is that you need to account for yourself and what you did and why, much as one does when one sends an email to Marwan

What did you do, what did you discuss on the 28th, will you stop this absurd pretence of amnesia that we both know is a lie, will you tell the truth in court, and will you come clean?

@Damien @Peter @Sam — who was told what by whom about each of Oli’s Sams at what point? I think we should just collapse the compartments, what say you? (Well, obviously I will count Damien as a probable ‘no’ vote.)

And I am made out to be the enemy of the Chernys, and the person who has ‘frightened’ them, etc - did I frighten them, Damien, or did you?

@Damien there was a brief moment of typingness there before you thought better of it… Flaubert used to yell his sentences again and again until he threw up blood, and I think that would be a good sentence even if it doesn’t produce one

I am going to make a web app to which everyone here can submit their respective versions of reality given to them by Oli (and maybe Damien), and we can figure out what the hell has gone on

I for one am very keen to figure it out and I sense that others are beginning to lose faith in their realities too, as I did a while ago

Maybe then Peter will be able to quit the olanzapine! He’ll be right as rain in an hour or two, haha

I mean I really have to underscore how selfish all of this has been and how heedless of the cost to others

But I suppose that comes with the ‘long game’, doesn’t it? Human beings are animate vending machines, feelings and love are tools, etc

Peter is a machine into which deranged paranoid fantasies can be fed and out of which come trust and affiliation and usefulness to the ‘long game’

I might add that if Oli is now in a tight spot, it is a tight spot he put himself in by making false reports to the police, not correcting them for several months while I was prosecuted, and (I don't know but I think it fairly probable) trying to keep Damien and others aligned with his account

He now seems to expect me too - the victim - to help sustain his false account so that he doesn't have to bear the consequences of having falsified it, and at this point I think he has taken leave of his senses

The Chernys and I, though I may occasionally be exasperated by what seems to me their Guinness Book of World Records-winning obtuseness, are ultimately in the same boat

What did I tell you the day I went to visit them, Damien? Let’s find those messages, hold on

You sent 4 photos

Did you think I was a danger to them, Damien? Did anything at all suggest that? Would I have asked you to accompany me had I been planning to slaughter the Cherny family or whatever deranged story Oli told them? Am I responsible for their fear or are he and you responsible for their fear in the same way you are for Peter’s?

You could have passed along a message - I asked you to - and you didn’t, and you imply that you are the one who is being kind to the Chernys and I am the one ‘bothering’ and ‘frightening’ them - it is thanks to you and Oli that I had to go to their house to get across a message that you should have passed along, just as you should have sent that email that you promised to send and then didn’t - and it is thanks to Oli and perhaps in some part you that my visit was interpreted as a physical threat, as if the guy from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre stood outside an open gate and repeatedly rang the fucking doorbell until the police arrived

Was I a nuisance? Yes. Should I have had to be a nuisance, and be arrested and defamed by you and others as a menace for a message that YOU SHOULD HAVE CONVEYED AS A MATTER OF OBVIOUS MORAL SENSE? No.

What do you say to Sam Cherny about the fact that you could have told him the truth several months ago, if not longer (I don’t really know exactly when you became aware, though I know you have certainly been aware for a month or two, and possibly long before May 27th or April 18th, maybe even when you were congratulating me and telling me Oli and I were made for each other? I dunno. Sam Cherny may know. Peter may know.

All I know is that this is the conversation you and Oli really didn’t want me to have, and so this is the conversation I am going to have

@Sam Cherny look at the video you took of me at the gate, look at all the emails I have sent over the past few months (some of them very wrong in my inferences or conclusions, esp early on, but consistent in my testimony about I knew first-hand and what I’d been told by Oli), and ask yourself whether you really believe whatever insane story I’m sure you’ve been told about me, or whether you think it is possible, just possible, that Oli, the person you said I was stupid to trust, is someone you were stupid to trust

also, with not very much respect, I am going to remove your disgraceful name for this group

I have spent months and months trying to get the truth to these people, Damien, while you have lied to them, so I would say it is not really your place to insult me - I would say it is your place to plead for forgiveness from both me and the Chernys

or, more likely, to shut up and, as Cicero said, confer te alio, probably to rip someone else off

oh, and if you say that I am lying, bring a libel action, but you won't, because I'm not, and my accusations against you will remain up - oh yeah, that's the one website I forgot to list: https://damien-mcmullen.swhra.uk

Here is Oli after my evil and unprovoked assault on him, when he purports to have said “no contact from now on, Difficult Ex-Boyfriend and Sometime Stalker Sam, after you turned up and demanded my medical data and then hit me and that is definitely the whole story”:

Are you going to say that in front of Edward, Damien?

Has this gone far enough, perhaps?

Why exactly can't others think for themselves? Why must they be instructed to disregard me?

Also, bloody Facebook has a 25MB limit which is bloody impossible, one sec, uploading to YouTube

I mean, honestly, this is a fucking disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourself (Damien, not Facebook)

video #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y714Bfvg22Y

(he had put foundation on by that point)

my hitting him and the video of him immediately afterwards is already on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1PlcocbTtU I had assumed the relevant people must surely have seen it (Sam Cherny above all) but maybe not - anyway, you be the judge of whether i should have hit him, but I am conflicted at best

you will note that, far from saying "no contact, ex-boyfriend Sam", he can in fact be heard shouting that he was going to go to my parents' house, with or without me, to meet my family [he had already met my mum, and my dad was away or in a different part of the house each time, but he did meet my brother Joe for the first time, which was sweet because Joe for some reason was the person who was always faintly on his side when everyone else was telling me, probably correctly, that I was mad to bother with him] - which is probably about as far from "no contact, ex-boyfriend Sam" as one can be

on the off chance that these websites SOMEHOW haven't reached the Chernys or Sam Cherny - just going based on Damien's panic - I will repeat the links: https://oli.chats.swhra.uk https://damien.chats.swhra.uk https://groups.chats.swhra.uk https://emails.swhra.uk https://media.swhra.uk

@Peter I must ask: how exactly did Oli explain the video of him showing me his recent WhatsApp messages to/from you, while obviously being boyfriendy/intimate/etc? Judging by the replies you sent me before quickly blocking me ("can he track us? use a VPN in Zaire"), I strongly inferred that he said I had used my super-magical powers to fake those videos and somehow access your messages

here again is that video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rrWmgTI-XqU

Damien, I tell you what, why don't you look up these chats, which you are still in, and tell me what they contain:

this is what they contain: [aaargh godforsaken fucking facebook and its 25mb limit, one sec, bear with]

also, @Damien McMullen, I wouldn't need to spam these people if YOU TOLD THE FUCKING TRUTH, you useless treacherous waste of fucking minerals

here is the second video of Oli at my parents' house after I hit him, while my screen recording of the group chats uploads: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JFbzsFsxAHM sorry again to all of you for the spamming, which Damien could put a stop to in one second by telling the truth rather than defying me to do this

here are the group chats Damien was in and is still in (I have just tagged him for his convenience, so that he can send an equivalent screen recording to all of you if he disputes the contents of those chats): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA44rNs6CNQ

here is the other reason Damien knows, which is that Oli sent him a message the day I first went to your (@Sam Cherny's) house, declaring us to be broken up, as he did every single time I threatened to go to his (well, your, as I now know - your family's!) house

so that's the date: April 18th, two or three hours before I finally got there (I had a nightmare journey that day, it was awful, the Tube was fucked)

I gather your family are Jewish

"HH", by the way, is "heil Himmler"

So am not sure whether Oli does that joke with you

My family are German for god's sake (well, some of them are, my dad's mum's side), and I warned him off it, haha:

your position, and presumably his position, on May 9th, was that I hadn't been "left"

which makes it rather odd, does it not, that he subsequently said to the police – in an account you have refused to contradict and which he must have known you wouldn't contradict when he gave it – that he broke up with me on April 12th

To be clear, I do not have super-magical powers - I could get Davenport's sex party attendees' emails because they literally leaked them from an API endpoint and I could inspect them in my browser's dev tools - that is basically teenage boy grade 'hacking' and was only possible because they were a shambles and I think their CEO Lewis recognised that in his slightly panicked emails to me, poor Lewis - but intercepting someone's WhatsApp messages is another universe of endeavour

And besides, if I could intercept anyone's WhatsApp messages, I wouldn't be asking Damien and everyone else what they were bloody told, and I wouldn't have remained in the dark for so long

I'm afraid I am a human being with feet of clay and Oli has been unfaithful and that is the very very simple explanation for all of this, not that I am the Mossad and Pixar rolled into one

@Damien McMullen, would you like to tell that truth of which you have always been well aware, or would you prefer to continue to disgrace yourself before this eventually collapses?

perhaps you could explain what you mean by 'stalker', for one, because that word seems to be used rather sloppily to mean many different things - are you saying that I am sending too many messages about the truth, or are you suggesting that I am lying?

I assume to me and Edward you mean the former, and then to Sam and Steven Cherny and Peter you will say you meant the latter, so I would like you to particularise the charge here for all of us

though I suspect even the "broke up on April 12th" version is designed for the police/court and is presumably far more than the Chernys have been told

in a similar vein, here are our calls on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf6DCuNmELvw I have shared various quotations and timestamped links from them over the past month or so, which cannot have failed to come to your attention do you claim that they are in some way fabricated? that I hired a Damien impersonator, like US presidential candidates have when rehearsing for debates? a Damien stand-in? or perhaps more likely you have thrown around 'AI' or something like that as an omni-explanation? i dunno, maybe i'm wrong and i shouldn't really be having to guess please state in front of everyone what your position is (you won't, because you won't say to me and in front of Edward - who can listen to those recordings, maybe even has, and can tell that that is you - that they are fake, nor will you admit to the Chernys that they are real, because you are still presenting different versions of reality to each side)

@Damien McMullen do you claim that you didn't tell me, on May 9th I think or whatever date it says in those screenshots (they are in tiny little squares right now), that Oli wasn't going to "leave" me, and that if I gave the group chats and emails a rest – i.e. stopped telling others about our relationship – he would soon enough come back to me? you speak to him daily or near-daily, you said, and were plainly communicating his position

i.e. that he loves me and will gladly continue to cheat on Sam Cherny with me as long as Sam Cherny doesn't find out

anyone who wants to can see the jumble of different accounts in their initial prosecution case file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rkSAAMXZ3VA7RGr98wtsU7G2MQnh498p/view

Oli, statement #1: me = ex-boyfriend, Cherny = housemate Oli, statement #2: me = slightly unclear, probable ex-boyfriend, Cherny = still housemate Mrs Cherny, only statement: me = STALKER not otherwise specified, Oli = son's friend (not sure if this is a lie or the euphemistic sense of 'friend' that my grandma uses) Oli, interview probably, as inferred from attached police comment in that file: relationship ended on April 12th - still no direct quotes and nothing explicitly attributed to the interview that has him naming Sam Cherny as partner, though I expect we'll get that when we get the audio – clearly the police came away with that understanding

also, re "not reported to police at the time", I did say to him, and it's on the recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1PlcocbTtU), that I would accompany him to the police station (we happened to be walking past it) and tell the truth if he wanted to make a report, despite not really feeling I had been wrong to hit him - he didn't want to make a report, he just wanted to go straight to my family's house, in true no contact spirit, lol

Sorry I disappeared - I am just off to the Buddhist Centre with my mum to meditate - I had completely forgotten I agreed to it, and it feels slightly absurd today of all days, but yeah, ommm or what have you

@Damien while I meditate on love and bloody kindness, perhaps you might meditate on answering my questions

my "Parliament erred in passing the Offences Against the Person Act 1861" defence has been cruelly slapped down 😭

I repeat here what I have said to @Damien, for clarity

Namely: I am still waiting for an answer, @Damien, and I am tired of your whinging

Afraid I refer Mr Jones to reply in Arkell v Pressdram

Also, ‘my lawyer’, lol

Mr Jones, on retainer in case of Facebook posts

What do you know, I have a reply from @Damien, though still not an answer:

I am going to be convicted under the scary pseudo-law that says one can’t tell the truth about shitty people, presumably

I am sorry that so many people fall for this crap

I do not

It is clearly not a coincidence that Peter has come to me today, as the line is collapsing, repeating Damienic lines about how an Oli-Cherny relationship is "the most ridiculous idea [I] have ever had" ('ever'? we have exchanged about seven messages, lol), conceding that Oli "tells me he loves you" (@Sam Cherny has he told you all about that? or only Peter?), etc...

look, god, @Sam Cherny, the few of these emails that concern my relationship with Oli are essentially physically/mathematically certain proof that I cannot have faked even if I were a nation state: https://github.com/swhra/OliEmails

given your interest in cryptocurrency I'm guessing you have at least a cursory understanding of hashing, collisions, public key cryptography, etc, enough probably to paste that readme and the general idea into ChatGPT and understand what it says back to you

suffice it to say that if I could forge (i.e. by generating a collision by brute force, as opposed to breaking into Google's HSMs or whatever) those DKIM-signed emails, I could steal all your monkey art and everyone's Bitcoins and everything - the chat logs ought to convince any reasonably sensible person with human context and a memory of dates etc, the photos and videos should do the same but are conceivably dismissible as AI, but the DKIM-signed emails are the Rust borrow checker of relationship proofs

(thanks to Damien and Peter I now regard the fact of an Oli-Cherny relationship as essentially proven and not seriously requiring argument)

@Sam Cherny I repeat the question I asked you at your house: how strongly has Oli discouraged you from ever talking to me? I am guessing very strongly, haha. Is it absolutely imperative? Dangerous? Life-threatening? Like listening to the song of the sirens? I wonder why!

Possibly because I'm telling the truth!!

Possibly because a three-minute conversation between the two of us would almost certainly suffice to clear up what has happened

Can you speak? Can you type? Do you have thumbs? You seemed to have thumbs when I met you. At least I don't specifically recall your not having thumbs 🤔 👍👎

I am going to try to have you summoned as a witness, which I hope and assume you won't mind too much since it seems highly likely you'll accompany your mother and your partner there anyway, and I know Oli would never let you testify voluntarily, and you might believe what I am saying when it comes from Mr Hussain after cross-examining Oli in court, rather than from me, Chief Stalker Sam

That being said, it would be nice if we could get this cleared up before then

eureka

Hmm, actually, I am going to devise something like Formspring that might let us break the compartments without so much fear of being identified as having said xyz

YES

update to come later

will explain game theory of

OK, there's a JS port of Tor that @Sam Cherny will be pleased to hear was written by some Ethereum-related developers - I am going to use this, I am going to give you all a file you can use locally, and it will connect over Tor (ergo untraceably) to a domain sammail.co that I had lying around anyway, and through that you will be able to send emails (untraceably, signed by some random username @ sammail.co, probably I'll let you choose or else randomise one) to anyone in this group - will probably support direct SMTP for those thus inclined, and a little HTML UI for 9 out of 10 people here Once done, we will all be able to send anonymous emails to one another This is the first of several weird anonymity-related experiments I am going to run in order to try to break these compartments - this will be like Xerox PARC or Facebook's NPE team but for the subject of Oli's infidelity specifically 🤓

(soz, meant to include link to Ethereum guys' JS Tor lib: https://pse.dev/projects/tor-js https://github.com/privacy-ethereum/tor-js)

I will just write the dumb SMTP / web UI and the more paranoid among you can set up Tor yourself - use a couple of hops, use French or German exit nodes, accept that you’re not a semi-mythical North Korean dissident and that you don’t need the absurd default settings, and it can actually be decently fast - if super paranoid, use Tails - if beyond paranoid, follow the key ceremony laptop-buying protocol we devised at Monzo: https://monzo.com/blog/2021/11/18/protecting-our-most-sensitive-secrets

Actually nah that is too pointlessly sophisticated and you’re not going to trust anything I write anyway

I am genuinely not collecting telemetry on this site beyond what Cloudflare collects, but Cloudflare’s is pretty detailed and could very probably allow me to take a reasonable guess at who sent an email, or at least rule in or out some people under some circumstances, so the honest answer is that you should probably use Tor (though you don’t need the awful clunky Tor browser - you can just install Tor with Homebrew, get it running with brew services, use a torrc slightly like mine below, stick the second file below wherever, go to settings -> privacy -> connections -> proxy in Firefox and add that file under automatic proxy configuration URL, and it will route requests to that website specifically over Tor and everything else normally) ClientOnly 1 SocksPort 9050 UseEntryGuards 1 NumEntryGuards 1 CircuitBuildTimeout 10 LearnCircuitBuildTimeout 1 MaxCircuitDirtiness 1800 NewCircuitPeriod 600 ClientUseIPv6 0 MaxClientCircuitsPending 64 ExitNodes {gb},{nl},{de},{fr} StrictNodes 0 function FindProxyForURL(url, host) { host = host.toLowerCase(); if (shExpMatch(host, "sammail.cc")) return "SOCKS5 127.0.0.1:9050"; else return "DIRECT"; }

sammail.cc

What did you know about my and Oli’s relationship, and what did you know about Oli and Sam Cherny’s relationship, and when did you know it? Please give a straight answer here to all of us.

Also, Oli obviously knew that you would not contradict his false account. You deleted all your Instagram DMs with Oli at 6am the following morning. What did they contain? Did he delete his own copy? And what did you talk about? You claim amnesia. This is bullshit and I am tired of pretending to take this sort of claim seriously. What did you discuss and what did you agree?

Apologies. Comma before ‘now does’.

I am treading carefully because I am not quite sure how broadly ‘indirect communication’ is interpreted and Oli has shown willingness to report any and all communication in the hope that I’ll be imprisoned on remand, but suffice it to say there is an obvious way to refresh your memory, if you truly deleted your copy spontaneously for personal reasons of “not liking negative conversations” rather than in a coordinated effort to cover up what was discussed. An innocent man would at this point provide a screen recording that would put the matter to rest. It has been too long since my first request (June 26th, iirc) for me to trust a convincing-looking text file. I don’t think you are an innocent man and so I don’t expect any such thing, but I would like you now to tell me the truth of what happened.

I know what is going on, Damien, sorry.

Also sorry for rejecting your call. I will take a Zoom call if you want, but I will record it as usual. One sec.

Actually, no, sorry, I'm done with Zoom calls because they are evidentially useless, and I have nothing that needs discussing over text in private with you. What I need from you is for you to address this in front of the other people involved in the situation. Private channels are not useful because you obviously have some device to explain away the stuff I publish that you have said in calls ("deepfake" or "AI" or whatever I assume).

@Damien: If you want to answer my questions on the phone instead of in this thread – from which I infer that there are people in this thread, almost certainly the two Chernys, in front of whom you don't want to tell the truth, and others, principally Edward, in front of whom you aren't prepared to lie and insult me in the way you have elsewhere – then I would want to set up a phone call with at least one person from each of those two groups. I very much doubt either of the Chernys would agree to such a call, but if you can set it up with them, I am happy to do so. I would want to record it but I could try to censor their remarks or not share too widely or ... well, we could work something out that satisfied all of us (except you of course). That being said, I think it should be possible for you to answer those questions in this thread using your fingers and a keyboard, and I am increasingly frustrated with how many hoops you are forcing me through to obtain an answer to a question that you should have given immediately.

For instance, @Damien, are you able to acknowledge here that Oli and I were in a relationship this year? Do you remember getting this message on April 18th, a couple of hours before my first visit to Schloss Cherny, saying that Oli was finally breaking up with me? Do you remember saying on May 9th that he wasn't going to leave me? Can you acknowledge this basic reality, that you have known and interacted quite extensively with me and Oli, as a couple, this year? I strongly suspect you cannot and will not say those words in front of the Chernys. Cannot. Flatly. No matter what. And you will explain your silence to them through some back channel in some other way ("ongoing legal matters", "stalking", "mental illness", god knows what).

(sorry, not angry at S.C., just conveying incredulity/exhaustion/obviousness)

Busy chats going on in the back channel, as I'm sure there are in some of your respective back channels with Damien, but not here

I need you to acknowledge reality in front of the Chernys and in court, and I need you to explain what has gone on here with respect to your now failed plan not to acknowledge it.

I am sorry if this is unpleasant. Welcome to unpleasantness. I have spent the past few months in it, Damien, because of you, while you have mocked me and shown me considerably less concern than the undeserved concern that I am here extending to you.

You have snottily remarked to me that "I suppose you're just asking me [i.e. to tell the truth in court etc] because it would be useful in your criminal prosecution, so you don't go to prison", as if my wish not to be wrongly imprisoned while you withheld salient facts and avoided court were some kind of corrupt and illegitimate wish.

So: please answer, Damien, because I think we have reduced the matter to a sabre point, and that is this: answer.

And do not try to give me some bollocks threatening non-answer again like this one - I think you have done enough of that now

@Sam Cherny What the fuck do you think is going on here? I invite you to draw the obvious inference.

No more back channels, no more fucking lies, Damien. You got yourself into this mess. I am not going to go willingly to prison so you don't have to explain what you did. This is obscene. I'm sure this is unpleasant, but I am not going to stop, nor have you any right to expect me to, so please now tell the truth.

You said that, and then you said on May 9th that Oli would come back to me, i.e. resume cheating on Sam Cherny, if I stopped the group chats. I didn't, for which you're welcome @Sam Cherny.

Nope. No. Not any more, Damien.

Sorry. Enough of that. Sorry to be harsh, it's not my instinct, but you have said things to me and then lied about what you said and lied about me, clearly, so now we all talk in the same room.

You were my friend of 12 years, you were (and you made great use of your status as) the objective third party, and what you have done is deserving of admission to Cocytus. It is unspeakable. Answer me. Answer everyone. Now.

What did you mean by "Sam has blown all this up with multiple group chats" when you said that to Oli on or around (Oli's screenshot makes it hard to be certain of which day your message was sent, but his message was sent on) April 18th? Answers on a postcard to me and @Sam Cherny. What did I blow up with multiple group chats? If it was blown up then, how blown up is it now, @Damien? Done and dusted? Demolished?

No, Damien, you answer me now. No more whinging about the reminders I have sent and the friends I have involved. You could have stopped this by answering months ago, and you do not now tell me that my job is to go to prison based on these lies while you refuse to answer and instead whinge and tell me I have troubled your friends. ANSWER ME, DAMIEN, BECAUSE I AM FUCKING TIRED OF THIS SHIT FROM YOU.

Answer everyone, more to the point. Answer me and Sam Cherny and Steven Cherny and in the presence of Edward and godforsaken fucking Marwan and whoever else is here, now.

Trust me, they'll be a lot happier with your one message now than they will be come December if you still haven't answered by then. There is one way out of this. Though it is lovely of you to be so concerned for your friends.

No, Damien, I am not fucking doing this any more, sorry. You answer here.

No more different stories, no more desperate attempts to have different realities for different people.

By the way, I do not accept any blame for bothering your friends, or for bothering the Chernys. I asked you to pass the Chernys a message on the morning of the 27th and you didn't then. I was forced to go to their house if I was to tell Sam Cherny the truth about his relationship, and I was then forced to go to your friends if I was not to be prosecuted as some kind of vengeful violent stalker of Oli for trying to tell (and evidently not quite succeeding in telling) Sam Cherny the truth. I am not going to let you shift the blame onto me. You should have told the truth to begin with. Having failed, you will fucking well tell it now.

I am sorry, by the way, @Sam Cherny. Some fucking friends you have. Some boyfriend. Rotten. I'm sorry.

@Sam Cherny: If I were you, I would distrust back channels and I would not let Damien (as for Oli, I am legally forbidden to counsel you on your communications with him, but you can hopefully use some nous) wriggle out of replying to both of us in this thread.

Also, Sam Cherny, I'm afraid I am going to press to summon you as a witness (I can't compel the magistrate but I can and will compel my lawyer to put my submission to the magistrate if he objects, which I doubt he will anyway) because I think you are being told some probably extraordinarily elaborate tower of falsehoods, which (1) is pretty crucial to understanding what has gone on, i.e. the stuff of the case, and (2) might stand a better chance of being dismantled by my court-appointed representative asking you questions after cross-examining Oli than it will by me (against whom I suspect you have been thoroughly intellectually inoculated).

By the way, that "breakup" message from Oli was after I told him I was going to visit to have a conversation. That was always when he broke up with me, every time. Did you know you can go from boyfriend to stalker in two hours? Apparently so. Is that what he told you, @Sam Cherny: "this is my stalker, who was my boyfriend at teatime but then he said he was paying me a visit"?

Also, what in god's name have they been telling you? I'm sure it's a doozy, as you Americans like to say...

No answer, and you've now gone offline. As I expected, then.

Sorry, Damien, I meant. Not Sam Cherny.

I don't expect it to be a remotely hostile encounter, but I don't think there is any serious prospect of your agreeing to appear as a defence witness (that would probably not go down well at home), and the CPS has decided not to call you and to call your mother instead (who strikes me as a worse stand-in for you, with respect to what each of you can testify about – so I find that a tiny bit sus on their part and I suspect they at least have suspicions as to which floorboards are best not lifted).

They want to try it as a nice clean case where nobody digs too deep into what actually went on. "Sam went to house, rang doorbell, fear emotion reported, context not necessary to examine, therefore convict." I do not plan to let it play out that way and nor, thank God, does lovely Mr Hussain. (He actually offered to do the rest of the case pro bono, besides the required witness examination parts, which was a lovely offer - not sure if likely to be accepted by my parents but lovely offer - and possibly signifies something.)

Can we now just regard the truth as established, for all intents and purposes? I think @Damien has had enough chances to contradict me. I am tired of letting him benefit from a doubt that he is choosing to keep alive, and I will soon update my website (https://damien-mcmullen.swhra.uk, free libel damages there if he were innocent which he's not) to reflect all of this.

(Also, sorry for my repeated @-tagged name jokes. I'm just taking the piss, since I imagine @Damien wincing every time I tag you.)

By the way, @Damien, I don't suppose you've had any trouble from Martin's ghost lately?

What are your thoughts on what you have said to me and what Oli said to Peter (though Peter now knows the truth, which is a relief in some ways even if he won't tell it to Sam Cherny)?

What are your thoughts about calling me mad and trying to have me locked up? What are your thoughts on trying to make me question my sanity for believing Oli was in a relationship with @Sam Cherny (that's your name, right, @Sam Cherny? it's @Sam Cherny, right?) – a mad proposition, eh, @Sam Cherny? Did @Damien know of your relationship, @Sam Cherny? Why did he tell me I was mad to believe it? Was it that unobvious? Why am I and why have I always been forbidden to talk to you, except for that single gate standoff which Oli obviously (in his near-infinite social perspicacity which I don't question) predicted would be safe? Why did he panic every time I messaged you, thinking you were his housemate, to say "hey, could you ask Oli to reply"? You can look through your Facebook and see threads full of deleted messages to you ever since Oli finally in January identified where he lived and identified you as his 'housemate'?

Well, you [now continuing to address @Sam Cherny, not @Damien] were 'Sam the American', along with 'Oliver the American' and the British 'Chris' who may or may not be based on a real person, I dunno. But he eventually mentioned your surname enough while nattering, and mentioned that your father was a partner at Quinn Emanuel in the States, which made it fairly trivial to iterate through viable approximate homophones and find the correct surname. (This is easy mode as far as Oli-related inferences go.)

I actually have my contemporaneous notes, haha:

Sorry, should have been a period rather than a question mark at the end of my propreantepenultimate message. (Great word, propreantepenultimate. Not often one gets to use it!)

Actually, idea: I am going to just send occasional little clips from our calls, a bit like that iTunes 12 Days of Christmas app from way back when (God, Sam Cherny might actually be too young to remember, since age runs in the opposite direction here to what one would expect in the circs...)

(sorry @Sam Cherny for the CCTV from your house there, but you will appreciate that two of its inhabitants are having me criminally prosecuted based partly on something that should have been captured - were its existence mentioned - by the camera on the right; nonetheless I will try to fix it so that that photo doesn't appear as the card-y thing when linking to the page)

I remind everyone that this could have been over several hundred messages ago if Damien had just answered this – instead he has sent, if I recall correctly, exactly two laugh reacts and exactly zero replies

@Damien I think the at least residually decent choice - and for Oli too - would be to so arrange events that Sam Cherny is not confronted for the first time in court with the realisation of what actually happened, what Oli actually said to me, what he said about Sam Cherny, that what (I strongly suspect) Oli said to him about me wasn't true*, etc etc etc. What say you? Nothing, obviously. Rhetorical question. But I would consider that. *also of course what he said to me about Sam Cherny was largely not true, and the parts expressing contempt may themselves not have been true - I am not discounting that or saying "he really hated you", I'm just saying he lied to both of us and had different uses for both of us and I think Sam Cherny can probably figure out broadly what those might have been

Sorry, friends, but annoying you is the only way to stop Damien from having me wrongly imprisoned - you are being annoyed in the way that a cow is milked - you are being milked for justice

Your annoyance, conveyed or inferred, is the pressure that may or may not lead Damien to do the right thing now rather than soldier on and hope to have a chance at the wrong outcome in five months' time

I will make soldiering on costly, and largely in terms of annoyance, for which requests for apology can (cc Marwan) be directed to Damien

I have nothing much to say other than to post them here and point out again that he says this having conspired to have me wrongly* imprisoned, and while continuing to refuse to account for himself here *I have sometimes said wrongfully, but properly I think one would say wrongly, or both wrongly and wrongfully, with the 'wrongful' element being supplied by the extraordinarily deficient investigative work done by this part of the Met and the 'wrong' element supplied quite happily by Damien and Oli

I must say I really do find these messages from Damien quite extraordinary

Quite extraordinarily nauseous, I mean

OK, the 152 days of Damienmas begins here, with one of my favourite passages, including the classic "self-destructing Instagram screenshot of an email sent to the CPS telling them they were wrong, after his full video-recorded interview, to conclude that Sam Cherny was his new partner":

@Damien Do I have to present 8 hours of phone calls in little clips to establish in the Court of Mutual Friends & Chernys what you know you said, or can we please call it a day? I don’t like sending these messages any more than everyone else likes receiving them. I wasn’t sending them this time last year, was I, or the year before? But if you leave me with no other option except to stay silent while you and Oli try to have me imprisoned on a false account, then I am going to send them and I am going to make sure everyone around you knows what you are trying to do. So please confer with such people as you may in your own independent judgement decide to confer with, and come back to me with an answer. Sorry. This cannot go on.

This may be a bit long, I'll go for shorter ones in the future because I think this is too long, but it might explain a lot from the Chernian standpoint, and it features Damien promising and promising and promising to send the simple message to the Chernys that he is currently refusing to send:

And @Damien, I think you have clearly told Sam Cherny that those videos on YouTube are fabrications. I note that you won't repeat that here in front of me, Edward, maybe Nicholas or Marwan or god knows whom, and I encourage the Chernys to infer what a reasonably street-wise macaque could infer from that.

I give up, fucking ffmpeg, next episode to come at some point

@Peter I urge you to do the right thing and tell Sam Cherny the truth - I sincerely don't think you knew until very recently, possibly yesterday - you now clearly do, Oli has engaged you to repeat those slightly creepily Damien-esque messages to me, but there is time to do the right thing and not pinion yourself to a case that is going to collapse once we cross-examine Oli against documentary evidence (https://github.com/swhra/OliEmails, https://media.swhra.uk/, possibly https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK1sBErwRKjk, etc) and then examine Cherny and put to him whatever emerged from Oli's cross-examination 🤷 I think it is maybe telling that my solicitor was willing to do this for sport, or for right or the public good or whatever but not for money

I can see snippets of what Damien is telling you, because it comes out in his messages when he is frustrated and tired of trying to present himself to me as a friend, and it is presumably something like this shameful drivel:

I have to say: I prefer a dysfunctional relationship over a functional one - I'm sure Oli's relationship with Sam Cherny has been very functional to him, but I prefer not to be a function

But clearly that word 'dysfunctional' was felt by you to do some useful work - I don't really think it does, I think when one hears 'dysfunctional' one imagines mad love, and I am willing to bet that Sam Cherny might have hoped to be madly loved by someone

It is a beautiful thing

I liked that message, because usually one would use the past tense. English uses the present tense for practically fucking everything ("in 1948 Ceylon declares its independence", "I go / I'm going to Cambridge on Saturday", etc) except for reporting speech. For reporting speech it's always "he said he loved you", even if he said it five seconds ago. At most "he told me he loves you". But you went 50 miles out of your way to produce the construction "he tells me he loves you". Extraordinary! @Sam Cherny, any thoughts about that? (The present love, not the grammar, that is.)

To be clear the grammar is fine, it's perfectly grammatical, it's just a happy unusuality!

Damien has found many and inventive ways of trying to salve his conscience and feel better about the unspeakable thing he has done

If he thinks there is any prospect that his messages will stop me, I find that hilarious.

Though my next move won't be to pile on messages, it will be to widen the audience quite a bit beyond this one. I think maybe that is fairer than piling pressure on a small number of people.

@Damien I see you are online on Instagram and I would really appreciate it if you could let me spend some of my remaining time before this trial doing something other than chasing you for a reply

If I need to go to Upper Mall (which I have recently learned I am allowed to do) and write @-tagged messages to Sam Cherny (which I have also recently realised I am free to do) in chalk on the alleyway, I will do so, but I think it would be decent of you not to force me to go to this much effort at this point, don't you? You did this, and I should not be in this situation, and should not have had to do even what I have had to do and endure already. Please find some decency within whatever is left of your conscience.

Oh, look, Damien says we have reached an impasse. He can't and won't tell Sam and Steven Cherny that Oli and I have been in a relationship as recently as this year, and he can't and won't deny it in my and Edward's and others' presence either.

Other people have no interest in this, he says. I happen to think Sam Cherny has an interest in this, and I happen to think Damien knows that, or else he wouldn't be so terrified of telling him.

I'm going to start a small thread with Tudor now, and I am excluding Marwan, because in fairness I think he has probably suffered enough now - he's served his time - Marwan, you are hereby manumitted 👍

Do you want me to go through those threads, which you are still in, message by message?

I can go on and on, and they are on the groups.chats.swhra.uk, but maybe it is nice not to do this? I am not bearing the cost any more, Damien, nor should Sam Cherny, frankly. You are the one lying. You need to solve this by fixing the lie.

And I really rather resent being made out to be attacking him, or a danger to him, or a danger to his family, or to have scared him or his family. I am sorry if they were scared of me, but who scared them of me?

@Sam Cherny Damien is desperate not to tell you about my and Oli's relationship - I wonder why, haha. Are you fine with it? Totally fine with it? Straight, unfussed, no problemo if Oli's been dating me? Can he continue dating me? Damien and Peter seem to feel he would like to, but it's almost as though there's some kind of problem involving you 🤔

Also, for what it's worth, I don't need to speak to Sam Cherny. Totally fine if he doesn't want to speak to me. I do want Damien to tell him the truth that he is currently trying to wriggle out of either saying or denying. (Selective muteness, I think they call it, to go with his selective amnesia.)

Were you, for example, in our relationship arguments on the week following April 12th? You can check now. In fact, you've actually been messaging me in those same threads today, lol.

Can we just end this now, Damien, please? It has gone far enough.

But yeah, do you remember sending that reply, presumably? So you know we have been dating this year? And you can go and check those group threads?

Were you in the calls I uploaded to YouTube, from which I have sent clips in this thread? Did you receive a message from Oli (you won't be able to check, because you later deleted your Instagram messages with him, 7 hours or so after my arrest, but you might remember) saying, on April 18th, after I had said I would visit their house to talk to Oli, that he had finally broken up with me? @Sam Cherny, was this how it was presented to you - that Oli had broken up with me an hour or two before I arrived?

I rather strongly suspect that that was not how it was presented to you. And note that I had no fucking idea, I think I quite visibly had no idea, that you were Oli's other partner, at the time of my first visit, or else I'd have said all this to you then.

I don't really know if Damien knew at that point, but he clearly knows now, and he is trying to avoid confirming either relationship, but he is failing, because he knows us both and– hey, Damien, do you remember messaging me in March to tell me you were so glad Oli and I had worked things out, because we were made for one another? Did you know then?

LOL you deleted it! I just checked on my Mac and it's gone

Extraordinary

Anyway

Damien, do you really bloody think that that is going to work? I find this quite something

Do you remember saying to me on the phone that you could understand why I'd be angry if it were the case that Oli had been cheating on me for two years? I can link you to the exact bit. Please don't think you will wriggle out of this with vague replies and complaints about how very exhausting it is to have a Facebook conversation.

You don't think "much" was faked? I beg your pardon?

I'm sorry, I do not appreciate at all the accusation that I have faked anything. What? Please particularise that.

What are you suggesting I have faked?

Or otherwise please retract that and say that you don't know of anything that I have faked, which is the truth, because I have not faked anything. You are not entitled to lie about me like this to cover up Oli's lie and your lies.

I have been scrupulously honest. The worst thing I have done is occasionally reorder a message to make it easier to read (e.g. if you send messages A, B, C, and then D on the same theme, and I send message A just before you send D and then you reply to A with several more messages, I have sometimes moved D one slot up so it's easier to follow the flow of the conversation - that is literally the extent of it - I have been petrified of even the appearance of dishonesty or manipulation, because I know how you fucking traitors and liars would exploit it)

You should hang your head in shame, or in whatever else you have to hand

Do you remember sending that message to me on March 13th, which you have now deleted? Or are you saying you just received those several fucking messages from me, apparently replying to myself, and thought nothing of it?

I mean, fucking seriously, Damien?

Oh shit, sorry

My bad, sorry

My Messenger hadn't synced

You haven't deleted it

It's just Messenger being a mess

Apologies, sorry, I shouldn't have accused you of that

I retract that

It's just being very weird - now it's got other messages missing - clearly a bit fucked or mid-sync with its weird Lightspeed engine

If he says there that he wasn't in a relationship with Oli, then I will apologise to him for bothering him, absolutely, but I am deeply suspicious, because it has taken you two months to say even what you have said here

You remember sending the message on March 13th, right? I can't recall if you answered that the last couple of times I asked

saying that Oli and I were made for each other and you were so glad we had worked things out

I am trying to pin you down because I suspect you are later going to say in private that this or that was fake

my impression is that that has been a large part of your strategy (it slips out in some of your comments to me)

in truth I have faked nothing, and if you suggest that I have then I would like you to specify what

because I consider this a disgraceful lie to tell of someone who has been meticulously honest to the point of transparency, which you have not

"Oh darling I'm sorry that you have been so cruelly inconvenienced by the consequences of your deranged behaviour"

Anyway I think this settles the question for Sam Cherny

Saying that we were ex-boyfriends and that he had declared no contact on April 12th

He is currently giving an entirely different account to have me prosecuted

You said that after speaking to him, and you told me you could hear in his voice that he was scared of what I had said in group chats, and asking about those.

I assume the reason for that fear was that he was afraid that the information would get to Sam Cherny.

That was always what caused him to break up with me and declare me a stalker. It wasn't because I hit him - that was a week before, and we had a lovely rest of the evening.

You just told me he was worried about group chats. But maybe he articulated a full 'no contact forever, don't love him at all' theory?

If so, you didn't mention that at all to me, mysteriously. You just described his fearful tone about group chats. Hold on one sec, I'll get the messages, though they are on my damien.chats.swhra.uk site too.

"hasn't said much except what was in the group chats"

doesn't really sound like a retraction to me

I'm sorry for doing this, Damien, but he is having me prosecuted and you had refused to clarify

You've substantially clarified now

Thanks for that, at least

👍

Doesn't quite make up for all the rest or for the distress and fear of those months and the possible alternative universes in which I didn't force this out of you, but still

Yeah, I am not really interested in your moral judgements right now, Damien, but thanks

Do you remember saying this on our call? I can give you a link

You said you spoke to him on the phone, and you said he "didn't say much except what was in the group chats" - you had called him because I had asked you to speak to him instead of to me, and to ask him why he had done what he had done, etc

My point at the time was "how dare you come to me and give me criticisms"

Is he not? @Sam Cherny?

I will ask him in court too

I will still call him as a witness because I am still deeply suspicious after the last couple of months of stonewalling - i fear you have given him some kind of story - but I will stop the group chats because there'll be no further point in that. I will wait until trial. I may do that anyway just after your messages, to be quite honest, but I would be grateful if Sam Cherny were willing to confirm receipt!

even a thumbs up react would do, really

totally understand if he doesn't want to do more than that

anyway for now i'll stop - good night all - Sam Cherny, any confirmation appreciated but not essential really, though would be lovely - have a good night and i'm sorry about all this, whatever the truth may turn out to be

if the truth really does turn out to be that you were not in a relationship with Oli and are totally fine if he wants to date me (which he does), then I will be profusely sorry and also happier than anyone has ever been

also, Damien, thanks for this at least - I won't do a general moral review of the last months, but I appreciate these answers here